Bringing The ASD Tomato Thing into Consent Conversations

 Okay, so had a bit of a weird conversation about Batman on BlueSky. Where a person did not like Batman as a character--and I replied that Batman written poorly is a very bad character

Like people are constantly talking about how hard it is to write Superman--and then completely fscking the pooch when writing Batman

This went a little bit haywire, as this person then posted an eight part comic series where he explained why Batman is, objectively a terrible character

"Objectivity (noun, adverb) 1) what cowards use to refer to their subjectivity" -- Book of Ketchup Recipes: the companion reader to Frigyth The Grumpy's Musings Before Ketchup, Sidhe Summer University, Unseelie Printing

This person also mention an analogy to not liking Pistachio Ice Cream that kind of did not exactly agree with the conclusions of their eight part comic series about why they did not enjoy Batman 

The Pistachio Ice Cream analogy kind of went at odds with them having to justify their personal preference... which... kind of requires going over a major issue society has about the nature of consent. The pressure that it needs to be objective

 The Food Poisoning Comparison

 "I've been poisoned so often, I've become a poison connoisseur of sorts. Somehow, I'm still less annoying than people who go to wine tastings. That is the part that I have to talk with my therapist the most about" -- Vincent Chadwick Thundersexsmith, Hero of Legend

Before going over how the ASD Tomato Thing works into consent conversations--we must go over the more reasonable conclusion for a lot of scenarios

Personal Trauma

 Trauma should not be the most reasonable explanation for why somebody should not like something. In the perfect world it would not be something you'd want to rule out before moving to the ASD Tomato Thing(TM)(C)(R)

 The person mentioned Pistachio Ice Cream... and then in their descriptions of Batman pretty much described the stock standard Zak Snyder version of Batman

Now here is the thing: their reaction to the Zak Snyder Batman is what a REASONABLE and NOT FSCKING BAT-GUANO INSANE PERSON would react to the Synder-Batman. So, I cannot flaw them in not enjoying that take on the character

Heck, Batman has had a major character assassination between Frank Miller, Tim Burton and Zak Snyder

And here is the thing about getting bad enough food poisoning: it makes it so that you CANNOT enjoy the food item after that point in time. Your shitty, pun not avoidable (or intended), experience will then completely override any future experiences, due to how extreme that experience actually ends up being

I am unable to enjoy Bologna Sandwiches due to a major food poisoning incident. That same experience robbed my siblings from being able to enjoy Gingerbread Men (though, it was not the Gingerbread Men that had expired)

And with Batman, it is understandable, that dealing with Snyder Batman would make it so people are unable to enjoy previous versions of Batmans... Batmen? Batpodes? Batmii? Batmor? Dwarrow? 

With this person kind of mentally checking out in shows with stuff he actually gives a crap about, when Batman shows up on screen--as is an understandable reaction

Giving an attempt at an "objective" explanation for why somebody doesn't like something, generally does not confirm their dislike is "objective"--so much as can hint towards the "Bad Food Poisoning" answer being made obvious

Now, being told somebody's dislike is due to a bad experience is not going to make them enjoy it... however, it should kind of remove the need to justify it with "objective" explanations for why it is bad

Though, further interactions indicated it might actually have been an ASD Tomato Thing 

=> Explain the ASD Tomato Thing

 "Okay, but you haven't personally tried the tomatos I grew in my own garden. How can you say you don't like tomatos after merely trying 34 875 (and a half) different varieties, but not my own?" -- Common Chant

Right, so I'm calling it the ASD Tomato thing, as this is an experience I've mostly only seen mentioned when you have groups of ASD People with ASD. Which is why I am, possibly erroneously, associating it with ASD People with ASD 

Now, some ASD People with ASD absolutely fscking hate Tomatos

Which should be fine, if not for the fact that you constantly have people trying to claim that their own tomatos they personally grew are somehow magically different

Society also requires that your personal preferences be "correct"--and if somebody likes/dislikes something different from you, then either person needs to justify whose preferences are the more correct one. With the loser needing to change their personal preferences--or be labelled as a frivilous crazy person incapable of being rational or reasonable

Which is dumb... but runs into a bit of a problem with communication. As communication usually lives on top of a bunch of socially based assumptions/assertions/idioms and what not. When communicating, you are not just communicating the words--but the socially held associations with said words

There is a reason why the words "slightly wet" and "moist" are not the same word. One is an okay thing to say--and the other is extremely upsetting and offensive. Like... I'm debating censoring the m-word for how offensive and offputting it is to have somewhere

Now, the reason the m-word is one of the worst words, when not including slurs in the comparison (Slurs are in the Ubers tiers of terrible words, and not used in Standard Competition for sounding awful), is entirely based upon societal assumptions and norms for dealing with the discussion

So, when communicating we need to work around this sort of stuff

I'm proposing that we have "The ASD Tomato Thing" be something that joins lexicon in order to allow people around the whole "I need to explain why I am not interested in something"

It could work with Batman. As yes, it might be a The Snyderverse Fandoms have fscked up people enjoying Batman like Rick and Morty... or, it might just be a case of "The ASD Tomato Thing"

 Honestly, there might be all kinds of people out there who cannot get into Batman... and handing them the tomato that the ASD Person with ASD who doesn't like tomatos did not eat, might actually be a more helpful way to handle these dialogs

Though, with a caveat that we now have a Brand New ASD Person With ASD Stereotype(TM)(C)(R) going about. Right up with the whole thing with trains, counting matches, shopping at K-Mart and being Traaaaaaaaaaaannns

 Hopefully we'll get a better way for people to communicate with each other at a decent enough time frame, that better communication can happen... at the cost of people getting annoyed at me (without even knowing it is me who did it) for adding a Brand New ASD Person With ASD Stereotype(TM)(C)(R) into public consciousness

Honestly though... this whole notion that people are pressured into trying to be "objective" when they say "no" is kind of a multifaceted fractal beast of current day living to have to tackle and deal with

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  1. Cozy Glow14 March 2025 at 14:05

    You know, different renditions of Batman have come and gone throughout the years and say what you will, he's still a beloved character... Just because someone happens to enjoy something you don't is not a reason to shit on them...

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    1. Katrina "the Lamia" Payne15 March 2025 at 05:48

      I think the big issue here, is the societal pressure that you need to explain why you don't enjoy something in an objective manner

      With a lot of social interactions you cannot go "not into it, thats just not my bag, baby"--without having to give an objective detailed response as to all the problems and issues with Swedish Penis Enlarger Pumps. This is a social pressure on a large amount of people, that they feel like they have to do

      I mostly want to figure out more ways to disarm this notion

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